Curse

Perfected Shadow · Apr 22, 2007, 08:04 AM // 08:04

What I mean is that the work done towards the titles by all your chars should add up.

Reasons:

1. HM is difficult enough so the reward of having a title for a single char is I believe not worth it.

2. Finding capable groups without being in a very organised guild is also very hard, since the players are now divided between normal and HM. Hence, the chances of finding capable groups if you play mainly an unfavored class, are even worse.

Different classes have different strengths, some of which would be suitable in one explorable area or mission and crap in the next. So the option of being able to use different chars may mean more flexibility and also make it easier to get in a group if you can 're-role' (eg. party already has a tank so you can switch to your monk, etc) while still making progress towards the titles.

3. I don't think anyone would like to replay HM pve to gain the titles for another char because of the difficulty of finding parties.

So let me know what you think and maybe provide alternative suggestions, etc.

ps: I want all pve titles to be like pvp titles

Dragonious · Apr 22, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

A million threads like this. You people will never learn to use the search function...

thomasnl88 · Apr 22, 2007, 08:19 AM // 08:19

Would you make Protection title account based. No! so i guess it is pointless to ask! But you can always try... !

Perfected Shadow · Apr 22, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

So what if there's a million threads like it? Those other threads didn't make much ground because of uber conservative people so I'll keep trying. How about you make a point relevant to the topic instead of just telling me to dig up buried threads which I'd rather not revive since I think I've got a new argument anyway about the new update.

Anyway I'm also talking about the difficulty of those two titles and the effort needed to obtain them as opposed to easier titles (like the protector title mentioned).

stealthslicer · Apr 22, 2007, 10:50 AM // 10:50

I think that this is a very stupid idea. If you have the vanquisher title account based, you have a pre searing person with the Vanquisher of Tyria title - a bit stupid dont you think? This goes with the gaurdian titles as well.

Evilsod · Apr 22, 2007, 11:24 AM // 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealthslicer

I think that this is a very stupid idea. If you have the vanquisher title account based, you have a pre searing person with the Vanquisher of Tyria title - a bit stupid dont you think? This goes with the gaurdian titles as well.

Yeah.... what a great (and completely stupid) counter point. A newly created Pre-Searing character could be a Godlyleetsauce Hero, Gladiator and Commander, i see no problems there?

Guardian shouldn't be... its basically Protector for a start.

Vanquisher... i may be inclined to agree, but it would be a little bit odd to justify.

I can't see em making changes to either though.

trobinson97 · Apr 22, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

/signed, great idea. Evilsod, great counter, counter point.

cellardweller · Apr 22, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

Clearing 121 maps in hard mode is a task worthy of being shared amongst characters on an account.
/signed for vanquisher.

Guardian is a much simpler task, so I don't see the _need_ for it, but a the same time I wouldn't object to it.
/abstain for guardian

Across The Battle · Apr 22, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

It would be cool if it was I agree, but realistically Im against it.

/notsigned

Lydz · Apr 22, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

/signed

I think its a little bit crazy to go for the titles 8 times if you have 8 characters :S

legion_rat · Apr 22, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

/notsigned for gaurdian

/undecided for vanquisher

Gaurdian like evilsod said is just protector but harder. As for vanquisher...i dunno. I need to think on this one a bit because you char that did it is the one who did all the work, why should your ele get credit for something your monk did? this one seems alot like survivor or cartographer. If all of your chars didnt do it why should they get the title?

~the rat~

navatar1 · Apr 26, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

/not signed

1. So dont go for HM
2. So find a guild thats dedicated to Vanquisher and so on. if there aint any now, there will be soon
3. Why would it matter to have the same huge effort title on mor than one char? do you really need People Know me and so on on each char?

personally, I have my main which will beat everything eventually, already beat 8/34 elona vanquisher with not much playing and only hero/hench teams so far, and am otherwise good. I have different chars going for surv and LDoA and couldnt care less if all titles went for Max title rank. If you want a title that you can display on every char, go for either kurz or Lux titles, gamer, or pvp titles

erfweiss · Apr 26, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

/notsigned.

Part of the adventure of vanquishing is that going through to accomplish a goal. I have 10 characters, and I have 2 working the title currently. If this was to be account based and I created a new character, am I to believe a lvl 1 char vanquished all of a continent?

Protectors are character based, Vanquish should be character based. Think of it this way: you're actually maxing two titles in the process. You vanquish a continent, and are required to map the continent to find every hostile.

freekedoutfish · Apr 26, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

ps: I want all pve titles to be like pvp titles

Oh come on.

/not signed for making Vanquish or Guardian account wide.
/not signed for making any PvE titles account wide.

Its PVE, not pvp!!!

Any progress you make with one individual character in pve, is their personal progress. PvE titles are a record of what that individual character has achieved for the game.

Its the "role-playing" aspect of the game. You cant and shouldnt be able to share titles you earn from role-playing.

How does it make sense that you get Vanquish or Guardian on your elemental, but your Ritualist can show the title too?

PvE titles show your achievements for that individual profession. They show your understanding and ability with that profession. You could be a great elemental, but a rubbish Ritualist. So why should your crap Ritualist be allowed to show a vanquishing title that your elemental achieved?

It would give people the impression your good at playing a Rit in PvE when infact your rubbish.

If you share titles in PvE, then whats the point in playing once you get them all?

Whats left to do? whats left to achieve?

Sharing titles account wide is a PvP thing, keep it that way.

mikkel · Apr 26, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Definitely not signed.

The only reason why PvP titles are typically global is that PvP characters are typically disposable.

My monk is a legendary skill hunter and a legendary cartographer. My level 2 storage characters aren't. Why should they be able to display these titles when they've never left Ascalon City/Kamadan/Shing Jea?

Div · Apr 26, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

Retarded idea. If you look at the game through a story's point of view (instead of being such a title wh*re), you'll see that it makes no sense to have it as an account-wide title. A character who has completed a given mission (either in NM or HM) will work towards protector/guardian. It makes no sense for another one of your characters to have that title. Similarly, it's one of your characters that helped the people of the land vanquish an entire area. Just because your monk did it doesn't mean your ranger helped them vanquish stuff. So /unsigned for both titles.

As for why PvP titles are global, it's because there is NO storyline to PvP. It is just a cumulative of all your achievements on a given account, and also because PvP characters are generally deleted and remade, it doesn't make sense to tie it to a character.

I can imagine seeing a level 1 presearing character displaying Conquering Hero, because it shows that they've played in PvP, but it makes no sense to see something like "legendary cartographer" or "guardian of tyria" on a character that didn't even kill a charr to guard tyria.

Of course people who love seeing PvE titles on all their characters by playing only one character is going to agree with all this. I can make a ridiculous post about how legendary survivor should be account wide, and I'll still find people to /sign it. But it makes no sense at all. People need to look at the storyline aspect of the game, it's not all about titles.

If there's one thing that's going to be approved to be account wide, it's the treasure hunter and wisdom titles. Until those are approved, no one's going to even touch guardian/vanquisher.

Antheus · Apr 26, 2007, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Grind is the new name of the game. Or, challenging content, as it's called more commonly.

If GW still followed "skill over time played", they would reward the player, not the character, and all titles would be account based.

By the same logic, Rank, Gladiator and Commander could be character based as well. I mean, so what if you're rank 9 on a monk. Grind it again with warrior. By same logic it doesn't make sense that you roll a warrior for the first time, and it's rank 9. You've never played it before.

But since grind is the new content, you might as well start today. It'll only take around 200 hours to max out vanquisher. So what is 1600 hours for 8 characters. Or drunkard and sweet tooth. They have nothing whatsoever to do with a character. They aren't in any way relevant to the character. And yet, they are character based.

Dougal Kronik · Apr 26, 2007, 01:02 PM // 13:02

/not signed for making either of these titles account based.

These titles are for your individual PvE character to attain and be able to show that you (character not player) have cleared all areas in HM and mastered all missions.

They are not required, it is a challenge and post game content for those characters that have finished all there is to do in a campaign.

You want account based titles, go play PvP, where it is understandable that titles are account based due to the rerolling of avatars.

P.S. I would like all titles to be character based.

cyberjanet · Apr 26, 2007, 01:10 PM // 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

PvE titles show your achievements for that individual profession. They show your understanding and ability with that profession. You could be a great elemental, but a rubbish Ritualist. So why should your crap Ritualist be allowed to show a vanquishing title that your elemental achieved?

Well said.
I'm a really crappy assassin.

/not signed for sharing PvE titles across account.

lyra_song · Apr 26, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

/notsigned

/sets you on fire